Monjoronson - Q&A - Adam and Eve - How Did Lucifer Convince So Many - Oct 01, 2008 - Audio Session 22
Subject: Monjoronson.com  Session #22   2008-10-01
Teacher: Monjoronson
T/R: Jonathan
Moderator: Mary Rogers, Mark Rogers
October, 01, 2008

Questions This Session:


Monjoronson: This is Monjoronson, the alignment is complete, I await your questions.

Q#1: [Mary] Thank you for being here this evening Monjoronson. There is a questioner who would like to ask a couple of things about the Lucifer rebellion.  Why, upon the default of our Adam and Eve were they removed from the planet but not replaced by a different Adamic pair? Also, why was our Planetary Prince not replaced or suspended from his duties?

Monjoronson: Thank you for your inquiry, I will begin by noting that your world, long before even the arrival of will creatures, the design for Urantia was that it was to be a life experiment world and while this greatly influenced what the life carriers could do to modify life on an evolutionary world it also had repercussions in the governing bodies of celestial administrators. So when the mandate given to your Planetary Prince and the mandate also given to the material son and daughter, your Adam and Eve, were violated, they were removed because of the need for disciplinary action, a betrayal of trust.

You ask why they were not replaced? It is due to this experimental status of Urantia and the contingency created by the Lucifer rebellion. Primarily, authority of Michael was in question and it was determined that this planet could signal to the rest of the system as well as to all within Nebadon that the will of God is supreme and that righteousness does prevail given time. Therefore Urantia was allowed to chart its course without an administration. Now this did create much debate in the higher courts for many did wish to intervene and rescue this planet,  but that would have proven to . . . [have given support to] Lucifer’s claims.

So it was determined to let the human beings dwelling on this world demonstrate the triumphs of goodness. It was not an easy road, this course chosen, but it will prove over time to be superb in its demonstration. Had this been a planet of regular status it very well may have been that the world would have had replacement administrations. You will recall in your text that the Life Carriers adjusted the life plasm to the point that free will appeared much sooner than on previous worlds and this element of free will was a key factor in the decision to allow rectification by way of human evolutionary enlightenment.

While these administrative centers are of great benefit to every world upon which they establish themselves, it is by no means the only avenue by which the souls and consciousness of human beings can come to the realization of God and also to develop worthwhile and noble civilizations. These administrations are accelerators and enhancers, they assist but the course of growth of the world would continue regardless of their presence for it must be remembered that the God of all indwells each creature and there is the true source of reality guidance and spiritual unfoldment. Thank you for asking.

Q #2: [Mary] One more question about the Lucifer rebellion. They state the main reason as to why numerous celestial beings have followed Lucifer into rebellion is articulated as; "he was simply too brilliant to be doubted", however I find it highly unlikely that there were no, even more brilliant beings that spoke against what Lucifer had presented. Also I find the idea that "ancient", in human terms, beings would ditch the beliefs that they supposedly held from the beginning and go the way of Lucifer simply because he said so. I find that quite unlikely. To sum up, all the explanations of rebellion seem too simplistic and do not add up when deeper analysis is attempted. Why is this so?

Monjoronson: You have addressed the intelligence and the great ability of Lucifer as a communicator and have suggested that other beings were also domiciled in Satania who could counter his philosophy, and there were, and there were great debates. But there is another element additional to Lucifer and that was his status as system ruler. He, for all intents and purposes, was the divine representative and this carried great weight in all other creatures who were uncertain as to what was being taught and which choice to make in regard to the philosophy promulgated.

Lucifer is a high son of God, a Lanonandek  and even Gabriel, the first born in Nebadon, found it greatly challenging to confront Lucifer's ideology and represent Michael's ideology. Outward from Paradise, every realm descending from Havona down to an individual planet in time and space, encounters [a] greater degree of leeway. Even the Constellation Fathers are limited in their freedom of expression. Michael comes with perhaps the greatest freedom at the farthest from Paradise for He can originate creatures and design a local universe of His choosing.

But the Constellation Fathers are the ones who carry out that work for Michael, but the Lanonandek Sons in the systems, they are on the front lines of evolutionary growth and so it is allowed that these Sons experiment in order that the Supreme extend itself into all realms of potential actualization. It is a precarious position for this experimental edge . . . to be truly free of constraint, [yet it contains] . . . within it the potential for disastrous outworking. Not all is understood in the unfoldment of the Supreme and the evolutionary growth that all creatures of time and space undergo.

It may perhaps be the will of the Father that the Supreme experience incorporate such activities as a rebellion. I will also offer one other observation; across the grand universe, such system rebellions are minuscule. They may be, if I should be so earthly in my statements, petty crimes. The grand universe is huge and very much that transpires is for the good, for light, for love. Occasionally there are these outbreaks, expressions of free will contrary to the Father's will.

I will conclude by stating also that no Lanonandek Son has a Trinity representative at their headquarters as do the higher administrators from the constellation upwards. This is not a fault, this is by design that the Lanonandeks be free of such guidance. The over control of evolution is sure but if it is to be evolution it must entail uncertainty and risk and it is to the honor of all Lanonandek Sons who serve their Michael's that they can function so at great peril and bring the light of Paradise to the evolutionary worlds under their charge. While Lucifer caused much turmoil and certainly endangered his well being, Satania has been gifted indirectly from his actions.

His efforts were reacted to by other beings of light and that reaction is the demonstration of truth and beauty and goodness. Lucifer did not need to engage in the ideology he believed in order for Satania to receive such benefits, the benefits came from all others as they reacted contrary to Lucifer. Free will is the most mysterious element of personality. How it is that the Father who is free will can give up that free will [so] that you, a mortal,  may express . . . independent decision making abilities [without being] . . . determinately bound by the Father in heaven, [is mysterious].

No explanation will be fully satisfactory as long as there is the functioning of free will in the universe. It requires respecting sovereignty of the individual and that, in light of the unfoldment of the Supreme Being makes it virtually impossible to predict or to explain events such as the rebellion, your system experienced.

Thank you again for your question and I conclude by saying, when a ship has passed through the waters, a great wake has been made. It eventually settles down and you can wonder what effects that wake has [had].   . . . Truly it is [also] up to you to ripple the waters, to create experiences within the Supreme for yourself and for the Supreme. And while a large vessel may cause much agitation to the many little ones about it, the responsibility for your own ascension and for your own expression of the Supreme must be the prime effort you make. There can be no excuse for giving up your ability to demonstrate righteousness because of the actions of any other individuals.

Q #3: [Mary] Good point Monjoronson, thank you. This next question proceeds as follows: The Teaching and Magisterial Mission try to fix our society by telling us how we as a human race should behave. I have no doubt that the principles and ideas presented are really sound, however our society evolved the way it is now,  not only because we had no good example of behavior patterns,  but also because we are living in a world of material restrictions and shortages.  When it comes to living a life of acceptable material quality over being nice, living well usually gets the priority. . . . Why should it be otherwise?

This was a rhetorical question but getting the answer would be interesting. But out of this observation comes the main question. Do the celestials believe that teaching humankind how to behave nicely while forgetting the part of how to live well in the material world, do the celestials believe this will really be effective in changing the human ways? Why do they believe this? If they do not believe it, how do they expect the material living part will get addressed? Thank you Monjoronson for addressing this question.

Monjoronson: The primary goal of every evolutionary world is Light and Life. This is true on up through the various realms until we have all seven super universes settled in Light and Life. This is a teaching brought to your world by way of the Urantia papers but not wholly unique to this [contextual] expression for your world has within its own legends, ideals that resemble Light and Life often of ages past but also of future ages. This age of evolutionary accomplishment is not simply a spiritual state of being.

It isn't just love, it isn't just good behavior, it also entails stabilized suns and planetary orbits. It is far grander a state of accomplishment than even a civilization can affect itself and though while you are encouraged to spiritualize your behavior primarily for your own ascension, but secondarily, for the well being of your world, Light and Life is more than any human being or any group of human beings can make become. It is an outgrowth of Supremacy attainment and entails functions and occurrences beyond your ability to partake.

Material well being is often considered antithetical to spiritual attainment but this is not the case. It is only when the two are seen as contrary to one another or independent or irrelevant to one another . . . [that] the potential comes about for gross injustices. With proper balance, material well being can be just as contributory to spiritual awakening. One need not be without such conveniences to realize spiritual truth. Urantia has yet to fully develop its ethical standards for material pursuits, it still has much of what I would call, the jungle mentality of predator and prey.

And so our missions come to your world to inject where you have labeled being nice, that your material advancements will be beneficial and not foolhardy or dangerous to the welfare of the entire civilization. Light and Life is a stage to be attained by a world but it also [is] a state of being that can be attained by any individual. It is not simply the peaceful good feeling subsequent to a worship experience, it is also good health, clean environments, and sound thinking. We who come to your world to teach can only address you as an individual for we cannot usurp the unfoldment of the Supreme experience on any world.

In all that you do, ask yourself: will it magnify truth, enhance beauty and demonstrate goodness? [These accomplishments] . . . are the only demonstrable aspects of God in evolutionary time and space that entails [using] the level of mind, the level of matter and the level of spirit [to reach these goals]. Trust all that which lies beyond yourself to the machinations of Supremacy and the eventual harmony of all creatures everywhere in time and space.

[Mary] Thank you very much for addressing that question Monjoronson. I think it is good to be reminded about Light and Life as experienced by an individual and their individual universe and their own life as opposed to Light and Life in the planetary sense.

Q #4: [Mark] Good evening Monjoronson, we have a last minute question. This [individual asks] . . . that for those like himself (and perhaps there are others who feel in a real sense that the time has come to be activated), . . . [is there] anything you would share with those who are feeling an increased sense of urgency [to be of service] at this time? Thank you for your response.

Monjoronson: Said Jesus, "Whosoever will, let him come". I say to you whoever feels such urgency, be about the Father's business and do not hesitate. Not all are called at each point in time. Some begin their work sooner than others. This has no bearing on status or correctness, it only is a matter of the appropriateness of time. So for those of you who feel that need to get up and get to work, I cheer you forward, do so and do not hesitate. These are my words.

Mark: Thank you very much for that encouragement and once again thank you very much for your dedicated working with us in this form of questions and answers. I think that is it for this evening so we thank you for your service and we will meet again at our next appointed question and answer session.

Monjoronson: I thank you for your attention, I delight in your inquiries for this is when I get to interface with the souls of my brothers and sisters. I may preach at you for days on end but this has little benefit [compared to the] dialog with sincere questions and honest interest. I take my leave, farewell.
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