Monjoronson - Q&A - Is There Communication with The Deceased - More About the Concept of Reincarnation - Sept 23, 2008 - Audio Session 21

Subject: Monjoronson.com Q/A Session #21  2008-09-23
Teacher: Monjoronson
T/R: Henry Zeringue
Moderator: Mary Rogers

Questions Answered This Session:


Prayer: Good evening Michael of Nebadon, I want to thank you for the human race, for living your life as Jesus Christ on our world, a world fraught with the challenge of two spiritual miscarriages. You took twelve simple men and in a few years transformed their life and created a need on  this planet to understand a greater way to connect to the God within and to focus our service to His will. Thank you for the love and compassion which has continuously been forthcoming to this wild seed of a world, a world run awry, astray. As a good shepherd we thank you for gathering us together as the collective brotherhood of man, as part of the greater brotherhood of all men and personalities which exist in your universe.

Thank you for showing us how to love and respect each other as a means of true worship, as a means to honor the presence of the God within. Not all of us have let you down. This evening, in this spiritual circuit of love and understanding we connect with your energy and the greater energy of the universe in carrying forth what here tonight will bring us. We ask for Monjoronson to join us this evening and any celestial presence who is with us this evening to be with us, to be part of our in-circuitment part of the group effort. We respect the words of those whom we cannot see yet sense. We are now ready to begin.

Monjoronson: Good evening, this is Monjoronson. It is indeed good to be here this evening incircuited here within this group of dedicated men and women who challenge their own progress and take the liberty to step forward and be of service. I am ready to begin.

Q #1: [Mary] Good evening Monjoronson, here is a question for you. This questioner says: I believe I read in the Urantia book the deceased relatives and friends are not allowed to communicate with people who have not yet passed over. What is it then that TV mediums are communicating with? They say they are communicating with a persons deceased relatives and they give the person messages from them. Is it some sort of memory bank they are tapping into? Can you please explain this.

Monjoronson: Greetings, thank you for this question. In your society there have for a very long time been those who communicate with the other side. There have been mediums, sybil's, shamans, astrologers  in every age and generation who through their sensitivity have fashioned for themselves a particular format to first comfort those that are here with no leadership, to try to conduct unfinished business when a person has passed through that portal of death.

Unfortunately it is not my place to judge or cite sociological references which are developing in your society in response to the other side. Your own networks struggle to compete for attention. In some cases there exist a genuine affection for the nature of those involved in both the asking of questions and the answering of questions. Again it is like anything else in your human nature. We can observe human nature because we are not human yet it is up to you to determine what is real and not real. Part of the reference we conclude in these series of question and answer sessions involves mans indwelt presence of a divine Adjuster, someone who is capable to point the way to you.

From a spiritual standpoint there is a tremendous amount of activity on Urantia that has no place within a greater reality. From a spiritual standpoint one needs to access their own place in a greater sense of reality, one needs to believe as an individual. It is not important to question whether a group of people are doing something that you need celestial approval for, what is important is that you have within yourself a greater capacity to create a greater reality for yourself as an individual.

No one group has any monopoly on reality and you can tell by looking at a society by its behavior how many groups within that society do have a sense of reality on a greater spiritual level. It is very interesting to completely take a sense of reality, a fleeting moment of eternity and define it in a language with meanings and use words, words indigenous to some evolutionary planet and put it in a text, not so, that a person will be enslaved to the words of the book like carved granite, but like a well of deep water bubbling forth experiencing each time a drink is taken from that well how it quenches the thirst, how it soothes your soul, how it helps to define that greater sense of reality within.

It is not possible to put all that reality encompasses into a mere accumulation of words, not to diminish the quality of the text. The text is meant to guide not to confine, restrict and segregate. The text is meant to unify like water, to bring all souls to the herald call of the Divine Voice within," be you perfect as I am perfect". You must have living faith, not stainless steel polished words. The Urantia book is similar to the thought Adjuster in that it is ever guiding you to experience a greater sense of reality.

I can tell you for a fact that deceased relatives have not spent enough time being dead to give you any valuable or qualitative information, especially deceased relatives of families from this world. Not until the day when these relatives fuse with their Adjuster and continue their journey as initiate beings of light will they begin to have any value to report. It should be obvious through reading the Urantia book that there is information of a greater importance than wondering how to judge social phenomenon. In a sense, yet you are asking my consideration for a  human sociological behavior pattern.

Was it not the original person involved with the Urantia book, Dr. Saddler a prominent psychiatrist and psychologist in Chicago whose task it was to discern the difference between mediums, charlatans and a greater sense of reality? The gentleman had a sense of a greater reality in his eventual choice to take it upon himself to a greater extent to commandeer the arrival of these same Urantia papers. From a universe perspective and an eternal perspective, all things are possible. With the help of the Father, no task is insurmountable.

It is even possible to bring something unreal into an individuals sense of reality because of the objective nature of the creative aspect of the human mind and the indwelt presence. The mind is the only place where reality can truly be determined and it is only through the avenue of the soul where that sense of reality can be brought into being for an individual.  I thank you for this question. Is there a second part to this question?

Q #2: [Mary] Yes, reading and reflecting in light of what you just said from the same questioner is as follows: Is reincarnation a fact, do our souls come back over and over utilizing different bodies and different scenarios until we advance enough to go to the morontia worlds? It makes so much sense to me in an evolutionary way and could you please explain this as truth or fiction? Thank you for clarifying both of these questions Monjoronson.

Monjoronson: Thank you for this question. In answering this question I need to distinguish between the organic evolutionary aspect of the soul and the nature of the soul since at the bottom of your question lies the premise that it makes sense that a soul evolves until it is ready to go forward to the mansion worlds, this question states. In the sense, you are correct, the soul does evolve. It evolves to the point where the human will has proven to the divine will that it has been willing to serve and be shown what to do and where to go.

As a personality in a human body, you definitely access this soul on a greater level. When you arrive here as a human it is always your first life, as a new soul with a new name, a new personality joined with an eternal presence. The progress that a soul must endure is progressive, it has a quality of perfecting itself, albeit what is not perfected on this world will be perfected in the next world. In that sense you do move forward once the correct adjustments have been made in a spiritual sense. Once the human focuses on the complete and final decision to be one with this Adjuster, it may take many lives on many different spheres of influence.

The seemingly organic and evolutionary nature of the human soul and human personality has its base roots in the fact that a counterpart to the soul, the human element does reincarnate. Each generation, each birth that genetic material is passed on, blended and passed on, blended again and passed on through countless generations and that accounts for one half of the soul. The eternal nature of the presence of the thought Adjuster accounts for the other part of the soul and this relationship between the human will and the divine plan is the vehicle known as the soul.

It is tremendously easy, seemingly correct to want to refer to the human counterpart as the soul, that it is organic and through successive lives repeated on this planet it evolves to a point where it is ready to move forward. That is a point of view that is not enlightened through revelation, a point of view enlightened through revelation reveals the divine nature of the soul, the reality of the soul, how it so developed and what part does it play in an individuals spiritual progression. The human life was completely revealed through the nature of your divine Creator Son Michael as He lived His life as Jesus Christ on your world of Urantia.

He demonstrated in a brief lifetime that a human could achieve the potential of eternal salvation and after death transform into a different form. It was the perfect example of a human life lived in conjunction with the divine mind. Always did Jesus seek the Father as a human being, not as Michael of Nebadon. Only in revealing the Father and Jesus' capacity to hold the space of love, to be that love did He reveal the Father to man completely. If the soul was something that needed to reincarnate on the same planet until it evolved, that would have been demonstrated
by Michael of Nebadon.

In completing a complete human life and demonstrating the morontia to the few humans of His influence, mostly to the apostles and their wives, the women's corp and a few others did He reveal the possibility and create the way which man can follow to discover that supreme love within. Since Jesus' time, unfortunately the human race has been tardy in its respect for this pronouncement of the divine Adjuster within and the possibilities Urantians would encounter by dedicating their wills to doing the will of the Father.

It is not important to determine that some belief systems are incorrect just because parts of that belief system do not fit into a greater reality. All belief systems on Urantia are defined that man access a greater sense of reality. All Urantia thought forms are not perfect, all Urantia social organizations are not yet perfected. The human consciousness on Urantia has not been cleansed of a corrupted default program and what may seemingly take place as a greater reality on your world here in actuality diminishes to the greater reality that is present within.

In discerning the truth to my answer seek guidance and advice within. Begin to experience looking though the eyes of the soul, begin to see the greater sense of reality which awaits and be prepared to earn it. This greater sense of reality must be twisted, coerced from the sense of  habit, a sense of resolution. Access to the greater presence within demands full attention of ones consciousness, alert sensitivity to the most subtle of influxes. A greater awareness occurs when the actions of one warrants such awareness.

A greater sense of spiritual reality within the soul is marshaled forth with the desire to know this aspect of ourselves as a human personality, to discover the divine presence as a reality, as a guiding force in ones life, the greater reality which allows for this soul to exist. This relationship is certainly progressive as it forces man to relinquish his hold on the previous reality, to grasp and accept the greater reality. The greater reality does not necessarily conform to ones sense of personal reality, ones own sense always conforms eventually.

In conclusion to this question and concern about reincarnation, it is truly genuine to have a greater sense of oneself than one actually is. I thank you for this question.

[Mary] And we thank you for being here tonight Monjoronson.

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